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The Wayne ([personal profile] thewayne) wrote2019-02-15 01:27 pm

The Boxing Glove Telescope, well, actually, The Pluto Discovery Telescope

Ysabette and I were discussing everyday superpowers, AKA extreme cleverness, and I mentioned the Boxing Glove Telescope, then set about trying to find a photo.

And lo....



Perhaps slightly oversaturated? Taken in 2004 with a Canon Digital Rebel (350D), 6 megapixel camera.

Anyway, this is the Pluto Discovery Telescope at Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona. This is a plate telescope, not an optical telescope. The tube beneath the large diameter cylinder is a guiding telescope to ensure the telescope is pointing in the right direction, then you load a glass plate coated in a dried liquid emulsion in the plate holder of the upper cylinder. Open the dome, pop the cover off the telescope (if there was one, I don't remember, start the clock drive, remove the slide on the plate holder, and you're off to the races.

I'm going to be posting more photos of Lowell Observatory later, I thought I'd lost them: turned out I was looking in the wrong year! The important part is the boxing glove - when the telescope was at a high angle, astronomers were constantly bashing their head on that long rod, so someone grabbed a boxing glove and taped it to the arm.

Problem solved.

When I said 'clock drive' three paragraphs ago, I meant clock drive. It looks a lot like a cuckoo or grandfather/mother clock with a weight suspended from a chain. You would wind it up, flip a switch, and it would move the telescope along its right ascension/declination track, keeping it pointing at the same patch of sky for the duration of the plate exposure. When the time was up, or presumably just before, the astronomer would come back to the dome, put the dark slide back in to the plate holder, and replace that particular glass plate with another. When the evening's exposures were done, they'd go into a dark room and spend some time developing the plates, then spend MANY hours staring into a blink comparator, seeing if they could discover something.

I'll have pix of that later!

I just wanted to show the boxing glove.

Actually, there was one other clever thing that I wanted to show off: a 2004 pic of my wife pouring liquid nitrogen into a fruit juice bottle with the bottom cut off to refill an instrument. And yes, she has accidentally splashed the nitrogen and gotten it in her mouth. NOT recommended.



Think of using a magnifying glass to focus our sun on a piece of paper. Paper bursts into flame. Now use a 3.5 meter mirror to focus a sun on to a chip or detector. It has to be cooled. That requires either liquid nitrogen (LN) or an electronic cryogenic cooling system. That's what she's doing here. The LN systems generally have about a 14 hour hold time, so they can be refilled at the beginning and end of shift and they're OK, during the winter the day staff will fill them before they leave. The cryogenic systems are a brand name called Cryotigers and run through the instrument umbilical cords down to the dome's intermediate levels as they generate too much heat to keep them on the telescope level.
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Thoughts

[personal profile] ysabetwordsmith 2019-02-15 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
The important part is the boxing glove - when the telescope was at a high angle, astronomers were constantly bashing their head on that long rod, so someone grabbed a boxing glove and taped it to the arm.
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What fascinates me is not only the use of extant equipment but the crossover between geek and jock, which are normally like oil and water. The geek has a knack for solving problems, but devising that solution requires that the geek know what a boxing glove is, how it works, and where to obtain one. Since most geeks pay about as much attention to sports as jocks pay to D&D, it is incongruous and intriguing. Is the geek also a closet jock? The sibling of a jock? Or just one of those people who absorbs everything in the vicinity whether it is interesting or not?

>>Actually, there was one other clever thing that I wanted to show off: a 2004 pi of my wife pouring liquid nitrogen into a fruit juice bottle with the bottom cut off to refill an instrument. And yes, she has accidentally splashed the nitrogen and gotten it in her mouth. NOT recommended.<<

Aaaand that's how lab accidents happen. In Terramagne, also how some people get superpowers. I could totally see that leading to a scientist with Ice Powers. Who uses them to freeze telescope plates and cool the computer room.
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Re: Thoughts

[personal profile] peoriapeoriawhereart 2019-02-15 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm wishing for your wife to adopt a library kickstep. Though, I'm not sure the top is quite as wide as I'd suggest for hefting liquid nitrogen.

"Your server room seems unusually warm."

"Beth just went to the bathroom, it's not outside of tolerance."
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Re: Thoughts

[personal profile] peoriapeoriawhereart 2019-02-16 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
I picked Beth since no matter the generation, there is a Beth (or one of the other nicknames). So why not a soup named Beth, that chillers the server room?

In my day, when the computer lab wasn't packed, it would drop to egg cooler sorts of temps. Naturally that's when slipping in there was possible, but in those days I didn't regularly have a cardigan to equip.
Edited (Clarification sentence) 2019-02-16 02:34 (UTC)
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Re: Thoughts

[personal profile] peoriapeoriawhereart 2019-02-16 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
At least she's got a chat buddy to phone in "there's an astronomer who needs assistance".

After a certain point we figured out I made a better counter balance than a ladder monkey, since my arms are just too short (like all the rest of me). This was with a ladder that probably outranked any five of us together.
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Re: Thoughts

[personal profile] kellan_the_tabby 2019-02-15 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I kinda wonder if the gap between 'jock' & 'geek' is narrowing some these days? Although given how long it's been since I got out of high school, I freely admit I'm HELLA out of touch.

(also boxing glove for head padding == AWESOME)
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Re: Thoughts

[personal profile] bibliofile 2019-02-15 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
IME geeks know a helluva lot about a lot of things, including jock stuff.

Also, boxing has gained popularity as a workout thing for a decade or so? (Not sure about timing)

But I agree that the mixing of the two worlds is in this instance a beautiful thing.
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Re: Thoughts

[personal profile] ysabetwordsmith 2019-02-15 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
It might be. That would be nice. So much separation is not particularly good for people.

If nothing else, we got the jocks hooked on roleplaying. LOL fantasy football LOL
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Re: Thoughts

[personal profile] peoriapeoriawhereart 2019-02-15 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
That I expect is more the demonstration of easy access to goods. Though, speedbags are a good way to let geeks readjust their frustration levels. They just can't night box with that hand. ;) Though, it may be the worn out glove.
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Re: Thoughts

[personal profile] peoriapeoriawhereart 2019-02-16 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
Turkeys are just dinosaurs we're complacent about. Sometimes they attack cars.

Does Terry Crew play any tabletops? I know he's got a lot of other interests in the geekisphere.
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Re: Thoughts

[personal profile] alatefeline 2019-02-20 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for that description of turkeys.
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Re: Thoughts

[personal profile] peoriapeoriawhereart 2019-02-20 03:44 pm (UTC)(link)
They like to wander out from the preserve into town, though one day they were closer in than usual and seeing them that close to non-subdivision structures... Also it wasn't mating season so the tail feathers weren't up.

That their most aggressive stance has been rendered 'cute' by elementary art projects... With their feathers in a more ostrich/emu slick back, you realize they're really just dinosaurs.

As are swans.
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[personal profile] moonhare 2019-02-17 11:28 am (UTC)(link)
I have a small scar on my forehead following one of many encounters with the lamp arm of our Indus scanner. My quick fix, not as elegant as a boxing glove, was to push a plastic cup from the nearby water cooler over the sharp end. No more ouchies :o)